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we are facing the fiscal cliff. now is the time for leadership and if john boehner is not willing to show leadership, then he should get out of the way and resign. see you tomorrow. >> this is "the bill press show."
we are facing the fiscal cliff. now is the time for leadership and if john boehner is not willing to show leadership, then he should get out of the way and resign. see you tomorrow. >> this is "the bill press show."
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because joe biden is still our vice president and no fiscal cliff fights are going to stop him from a shopping blitz at washington's new costco super store. the veep came looking for pies and left with a television, books, fire logs, and a huge smile trailed by a horde of surprised shoppers. >> just walking through this store. get some guidance. >> you know, i have a feeling that the president may have missed his usual lunch partner at the midday meal today. joining us from washington is msnbc own historian the great chris matthews, the host of "hardball" and the author of quk jack kent, elusive hero," available now. highways t that's the advertising over. we learned the menu including white turkey chili and no humble pie after all. >> no dessert at all. i wondered about that double helping of poultry. what a strange meal. the turkey and then the chicken part. it's a strange meal. must have been dietary rules. i don't think that's a natural decision by the chef. strange meal. >> how do you think the meeting went though in truth? >> i think it's been screwed up because mr. romney, the
because joe biden is still our vice president and no fiscal cliff fights are going to stop him from a shopping blitz at washington's new costco super store. the veep came looking for pies and left with a television, books, fire logs, and a huge smile trailed by a horde of surprised shoppers. >> just walking through this store. get some guidance. >> you know, i have a feeling that the president may have missed his usual lunch partner at the midday meal today. joining us from...
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fiscal cliff, amazement and dismay. i've heard it again and again. >> toes are the two words i focused on, amazement and dismay, and my question comes is he making any changes for fedex? >> companies need clarity. and even in the third quarter gdp report you can see that companies holding back on computer purchases, on equipment purchases, because they don't know what's going to happen next year. if there's going to be a recession or not. can i tell you, not to know whether you're going to have a recession is such an uncertainty for your families. christmas spending. how do you do holiday spending if you don't know what kind of tax refund you're going to get? congress is in a sticky spot here. the mood was pretty grim in washington yesterday when i was there for that interview. a lot of folks were saying they're not making plans for the holidays. washington insiders. because they think that they're going to be doing this down to the very last minute. >> i know you were dismayed saying that typically behind the scenes, a
fiscal cliff, amazement and dismay. i've heard it again and again. >> toes are the two words i focused on, amazement and dismay, and my question comes is he making any changes for fedex? >> companies need clarity. and even in the third quarter gdp report you can see that companies holding back on computer purchases, on equipment purchases, because they don't know what's going to happen next year. if there's going to be a recession or not. can i tell you, not to know whether you're...
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. >> if is the administration prepared too go over the fiscal cliff. >> absolutely. there is no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthist, remember it's only 2%. >> he did not blink. that is the treasury secretary. do they talk like that? >> it's really unique. this treasury secretary is very loyal to this president, treasury secretaries are, but he is saying essentially that the tax rates going up are essential, that the money is not essential, that the dollar figure is not essential, that the rates going up are essential, and that's just interesting. going over the cliff comes with a lot of -- a lot of things that could affect the economy and the treasury secretary knows that. bill: 10% unemployment. tax rates for everybody going higher. what are you hearing on the house side? among the house republicans, whether or not they are behind the speaker, whether they are pulling away from him, where does that stand do you believe? >> reporter: you know, there are some on the house side that have a lot of concerns ab
. >> if is the administration prepared too go over the fiscal cliff. >> absolutely. there is no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthist, remember it's only 2%. >> he did not blink. that is the treasury secretary. do they talk like that? >> it's really unique. this treasury secretary is very loyal to this president, treasury secretaries are, but he is saying essentially that the tax rates going up are essential,...
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we're having all these discussions about the fiscal cliff. we need to start thinking about what are our priorities because that's what the budget decisions mean we have to make tough decisions about where to invest and we know from research, david brooks writes about this all the time, money spent early on has a much greater return on investment than trying to fix the problem down the road. >> you're a message guy and one decision has to be made, you can't just sell we have to help the children. >> yeah. >> it has to be one of those issues. they're all important. it doesn't get you anywhere. >> no, i agree. we're trying to get the people to get their attention. >> is it health care? is it poverty? >> well, part of the health care and portable care act. the real return on investment is early investment in pre-k, early education, nurturing, bonding with mothers, all that kind of early pre-k investment is where the real payoff comes. so that's where i think -- it's across the board and attention across the spectrum about kids, their health, educ
we're having all these discussions about the fiscal cliff. we need to start thinking about what are our priorities because that's what the budget decisions mean we have to make tough decisions about where to invest and we know from research, david brooks writes about this all the time, money spent early on has a much greater return on investment than trying to fix the problem down the road. >> you're a message guy and one decision has to be made, you can't just sell we have to help the...
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and washington is playing fiscal with the fiscal cliff. -- playing chicken with the fiscal cliff. this deal will only get done by president obama and john boehner making a deal. they came close in the summer of 2011. the parties are so polarized and partisans polarized this is a problem. >> i keep saying we need a presidential historian or hostage negotiator. somebody could say we've been at stalemates before, gotten over it, shut down the government in '96. tip o'neill and ronald reagan managed to solve problems and get along. listen to what john mccain said about what we need here. >> it's time now to sit across the table from one another, rather than -- in the way they did with ronald reagan and the way you get things done in washington. >> the way they did with ronald reagan and get things done in washington. you sit together and figure it out. they were at a holiday party they didn't talk to each other. they're issuing sort of statements and rebuttals and saying i'm not going to budge. >> negotiation by press release. this is not how things get done in washington and part of
and washington is playing fiscal with the fiscal cliff. -- playing chicken with the fiscal cliff. this deal will only get done by president obama and john boehner making a deal. they came close in the summer of 2011. the parties are so polarized and partisans polarized this is a problem. >> i keep saying we need a presidential historian or hostage negotiator. somebody could say we've been at stalemates before, gotten over it, shut down the government in '96. tip o'neill and ronald reagan...
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this all comes as we get word that the fiscal cliff talks will boil down to what happens between two people and only two people. president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the democrats plan to slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff instead of engaging in serious talks to avert the cliff, that includes spending cuts and tax reforms the president once supported. the white house has only offered a joke. i understand we have speaker boehner to the microphones. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago secretary geithne
this all comes as we get word that the fiscal cliff talks will boil down to what happens between two people and only two people. president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the...
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will we avoid going over the fiscal cliff? senator chris coons will tell us that when we come back here on the "full court press." nothing like pressure here. >> announcer: this is the "full court press." the "bill press show." live on your radio and on current tv. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. (vo) as marijuana gains social and legal acceptance, a new pioneer is emerging from the backwoods. >> i'm basically like a farmer. instead of corn, you've got dope. (vo) but what is legal and what is criminal? >> this is, no matter what you (vo) follow real farmers staking their claim on a new frontier. >> lots of terrible things happen to people growing marijuana. >> this crop to me is my livelihood. >> i have everything invested in this. >> announcer: on your radio and on current tv, this is the "bill press show." >> bill: here we g
will we avoid going over the fiscal cliff? senator chris coons will tell us that when we come back here on the "full court press." nothing like pressure here. >> announcer: this is the "full court press." the "bill press show." live on your radio and on current tv. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his...
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i say fiscal cliff, david, you say? >> we have a short-term ficscal cliff. we need to deal with the fiscal cliff. have a credible down payment on the tax and spending side. bridge to a grand bargain next year. the fiscal cliff is the symptom. structural deficit is the disease. we need to learn from australia, canada, new zealand, sweden. we need to do it next year. >> all right. >> get dr. dave to washington right away so that we avoid what cramer on "meet the press" this weekend had great line. he said on january 8th when the reporting starts, there will be a foot race to fire people if we don't get this cliff taken care of which is why if we're going over the
i say fiscal cliff, david, you say? >> we have a short-term ficscal cliff. we need to deal with the fiscal cliff. have a credible down payment on the tax and spending side. bridge to a grand bargain next year. the fiscal cliff is the symptom. structural deficit is the disease. we need to learn from australia, canada, new zealand, sweden. we need to do it next year. >> all right. >> get dr. dave to washington right away so that we avoid what cramer on "meet the press"...
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the soap opera we call the fiscal cliff. before we get to our chief washington john harwood and the president is meeting with another grouch ceos, i need to start with eamon javers on capitol hill where lawmakers are skipping down early for a long weekend. eamon, wasn't thanksgiving just a couple weeks ago? >> it was. let me check michael ichaey cal. you see rank and file members of congress leaving the capitol. they are done for the week. they're headed back loam to their hometown districts. a lot of folks focused on this negotiation right now but the reality is that the negotiations are taking place among just a very few, very high level people. i was talking to a few rank and file members yesterday who said they were frustrated there is not a whole lot for them to do, they are just sitting around here waiting for some break-through in these negotiations. they want something to do on the floor, in their offices and there is not much for them to sink their teeth into. now they're going into their district. leadership is goi
the soap opera we call the fiscal cliff. before we get to our chief washington john harwood and the president is meeting with another grouch ceos, i need to start with eamon javers on capitol hill where lawmakers are skipping down early for a long weekend. eamon, wasn't thanksgiving just a couple weeks ago? >> it was. let me check michael ichaey cal. you see rank and file members of congress leaving the capitol. they are done for the week. they're headed back loam to their hometown...
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he says it's not a fiscal cliff, it's more like a fiscal slope. there are some people that occupy the left side of the american political spectrum that would agree with howard dean saying listen, it's really not that big of a deal as deficit hawks are making it out to be. you would disagree, i would guess. >> well, i think howard is disagreeing a little bit, too. i think howard is saying it's time for meaningful deficit reduction. howard's become a deficit hawk. i think howard and i would disagree probably on some of the elements of what constitutes -- >> no, but he's saying it's not a disaster if it happens. >> well, i was going to get to that point. the fiscal cliff itself, howard is right, it's a slope. on day one the economy does not collapse and go into recession. but i worry a lot about the markets. the market reaction to going over the cliff, particularly if we go over the cliff in disarray where there's really no plan. everything's broken down. nobody knows where anybody is. i think that could be pretty ugly in the markets. having said tha
he says it's not a fiscal cliff, it's more like a fiscal slope. there are some people that occupy the left side of the american political spectrum that would agree with howard dean saying listen, it's really not that big of a deal as deficit hawks are making it out to be. you would disagree, i would guess. >> well, i think howard is disagreeing a little bit, too. i think howard is saying it's time for meaningful deficit reduction. howard's become a deficit hawk. i think howard and i would...
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the debt ceiling if it is not part of any agreement, regarding the fiscal cliff to avert the fiscal cliff they will need to take up this question of raising the debt ceiling come likely early next year. republicans see that the question of raising the debt creeling is where they have leverage in this negotiation. the president and democrats do not want the debt ceiling to be kind of -- raising the debt ceiling to be part of this negotiation. they do not want this on their plate come early next year. it all comes down to leverage. democrats see that they have the leverage here because look at most recent polls today. if you look at this week, if you look at recent polls out this week, it shows that a majority of americans say if there is no deal, if we go over the fiscal cliff, they will blame republicans and not democrats or the president. you can be sure everyone is watching those polls. the debt ceiling if you can believe it, i know christine is rolling her eyes over there, the debt ceiling is becoming a part of this. >> that dialogue has been going on for quite some time now. at the en
the debt ceiling if it is not part of any agreement, regarding the fiscal cliff to avert the fiscal cliff they will need to take up this question of raising the debt ceiling come likely early next year. republicans see that the question of raising the debt creeling is where they have leverage in this negotiation. the president and democrats do not want the debt ceiling to be kind of -- raising the debt ceiling to be part of this negotiation. they do not want this on their plate come early next...
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we're talking about the fiscal cliff. ruth says i've said for a long time republicans are so far to the right they're falling off the edge. i didn't realize it was a cliff they were up against. mark says i have my seat belt on and i'm ready to go over the cliff. no deal is better than a b.s. deal. and skip says the g.o.p. is on their way to wiping out the remainder of the middle class ending social security medicare and medicaid and home mortgage deductions. >> bill: so, michael, we hear that more and more from democrats that better to go over the cliff better no deal than a bad deal. do you agree? >> yeah, i do agree. it depends on how bad the deal is but there is a spectrum. >> bill: if the deal includes extending the bush tax cuts for the wealthiest of americans for another two years. >> no. that's not a deal worth making. that's just not a deal worth making. the fact of the matter is we're at a tough spot. we're caught between a rock and a hard place. we don't want to go over the cliff. if we can avoid it, the congres
we're talking about the fiscal cliff. ruth says i've said for a long time republicans are so far to the right they're falling off the edge. i didn't realize it was a cliff they were up against. mark says i have my seat belt on and i'm ready to go over the cliff. no deal is better than a b.s. deal. and skip says the g.o.p. is on their way to wiping out the remainder of the middle class ending social security medicare and medicaid and home mortgage deductions. >> bill: so, michael, we hear...
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back to the looming fiscal cliff. a deal to avoid the cliff remains uncertain as both sides continue to fight over tax code overhaul. we're joined at post 9 by virginia democratic senator gang of eight member senator mark warner. welcome. down to nyse. good to have you. >> thanks for having me. >> we read about dinners at your house. senators trying to work something out on the side. clearly it collides with headlines we got over the weekend. >> we all know what the frame of this deal has to be. you have to get additional revenues. you have to find a way to reform the entitlements and make additional cuts and get a net net of minimum of 4 trillion over ten years. that sounds like a big number but when you think about the size of our economy and size of government spending over a ten-year period, this is so much remarkably smaller than what's being asked of people throughout europe and people in the u.k. and throughout the world. my hope is we are going to get the deal done. >> we have three weeks or so to play with at
back to the looming fiscal cliff. a deal to avoid the cliff remains uncertain as both sides continue to fight over tax code overhaul. we're joined at post 9 by virginia democratic senator gang of eight member senator mark warner. welcome. down to nyse. good to have you. >> thanks for having me. >> we read about dinners at your house. senators trying to work something out on the side. clearly it collides with headlines we got over the weekend. >> we all know what the frame of...
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back to you. >>> fiscal cliff looming of course. corporate boards at the world's largest pensions and sovereign wealth funds have very hard decisions to make about risk and asset allocation. how do you generate returns and manage volatility in this kind of environment where there's so much you can't control? global head of institutional clients with jpmorgan asset management, welcome. i'm going to ask something that may be counter intuitive to a lot of people. maybe not to you. it seems to me your clients, institutions, pensions, endowments, are tax exempt. they don't have to worry quite as much it would seem to me about avoiding dividend taxes or capital gains taxes as ordinary individuals. am i right about that or wrong? >> yes and no. the point being if the fiscal cliff you look at china, eurozone, it is all coming together to create an environment of total uncertainty for a lot of the biggest investors in the world. pension funds in the u.s. are trying to manage the volatility of the funding levels, generating return. think of w
back to you. >>> fiscal cliff looming of course. corporate boards at the world's largest pensions and sovereign wealth funds have very hard decisions to make about risk and asset allocation. how do you generate returns and manage volatility in this kind of environment where there's so much you can't control? global head of institutional clients with jpmorgan asset management, welcome. i'm going to ask something that may be counter intuitive to a lot of people. maybe not to you. it...
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the fiscal cliff. the president heads to a pennsylvania toy factory pressing his case for a proposal that actually leaked last night seeking 1.6 trillion in tax hikes. republicans in morning balking and cliff fears prompt another company to issue a dividend and it's whole foods. >> owner of taco bell, kfc, have warned that sales hit the skids. the shares yesterday hit a fresh high. >>> facebook unlikes zynga. zynga shares are plummeting this morning on the news. >>> never an ego boost for the ceo when the stock falls on the news that he's keeping his job. that's exactly what's happening with groupon as the board keeps andrew mason. >>> the president heading to a pennsylvania factory this morning. republicans have given a thumbs down to the president's plan which includes a $1.6 trillion tax increase, 50 billion in infrastructure spending for next year and limited entitlements cuts. more companies issue special dividends. whole foods will pay $2 a share. kbw yesterday. what's more interesting to you, ji
the fiscal cliff. the president heads to a pennsylvania toy factory pressing his case for a proposal that actually leaked last night seeking 1.6 trillion in tax hikes. republicans in morning balking and cliff fears prompt another company to issue a dividend and it's whole foods. >> owner of taco bell, kfc, have warned that sales hit the skids. the shares yesterday hit a fresh high. >>> facebook unlikes zynga. zynga shares are plummeting this morning on the news. >>>...
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want to continue the conversation on fiscal cliff. this one republican has really been making news with this -- we'll call it an outside the box idea to avoid at least part of this fiscal cliff. he is suggesting to extend the bush cuts for the 98% of americans right now since at least both sides agree that has to happen and then haggle over the top 2% later. >> the republican in the middle of this all is congressman tom cole from oklahoma. congressman cole, speaker boehner and others have thrown cold water on this idea. let's clear this up right now. you still stand by this notion, pass the tax cuts for the 98% right now, deal with the 2% after the new year but essentially let those da tax breaks for the top 2% expire? >> i do think where we agree on 98%, we should take that off the table so americans don't have to worry about that. that actually strengthens our position. at the end of the day it's a discussion amongst republicans over tactic, not a division or debate. the president would be well advised if he's serious to actually br
want to continue the conversation on fiscal cliff. this one republican has really been making news with this -- we'll call it an outside the box idea to avoid at least part of this fiscal cliff. he is suggesting to extend the bush cuts for the 98% of americans right now since at least both sides agree that has to happen and then haggle over the top 2% later. >> the republican in the middle of this all is congressman tom cole from oklahoma. congressman cole, speaker boehner and others have...
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fiscal cliff talks going nowhere. the president hits the road today selling a plan that includes $1.6 trillion in tax hikes and $50 billion in stimulus spending. you can imagine what republicans thought about that. they are balking at the very least. house speaker john boehner telling reporters the president needs to, quote, get serious on spending cuts. out of nowhere the earth collapsed. a giant sinkhole has developed near dover, ohio, south of cleveland. local residents cannot believe their eyes by how big this thing is. it happened wednesday afternoon. taking part of a two-lane highway down with it. fortunately no one's been injured. >>> wow. exciting discovery on the planet mercury. ice. na nasa's messenger probe discovering frozen water. it's mostly found in deep craters that are always in the shadows. scientists believe the water almost certainly came from impacting comets or asteroids. >>> 30 years ago today, back in 1982, michael jackson released "thriller" an album that changed the music business and cemente
fiscal cliff talks going nowhere. the president hits the road today selling a plan that includes $1.6 trillion in tax hikes and $50 billion in stimulus spending. you can imagine what republicans thought about that. they are balking at the very least. house speaker john boehner telling reporters the president needs to, quote, get serious on spending cuts. out of nowhere the earth collapsed. a giant sinkhole has developed near dover, ohio, south of cleveland. local residents cannot believe their...
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we'll go off the fiscal cliff, down the fiscal slope. yes i think it will happen because it is the one way republicans can, without violating the pledge, and offending the grand inquisitor grover norquist, it's the one way they can let this happen. >> and, in fact, you know, what could happen, you can imagine a scenario where you go off the cliff on taxes, rates go up for everybody, you then vote to restore the rates for the vast majority of taxpayers, 98%, and further it is even conceivable you negotiate down the top rates in the level under bill clinton a little bit by putting in the pot offsetting deductions for credits which would allow republicans to claim some sort of victory as well. that could be a scenario where you have a consensus on the tax run. >> let's run all of this by representative xavier becerra of california. he's joining us now. nice to see you, sir 367 appreciate your time. what is really the white house dismiss kind of out of hand i mean i don't have the exact number of minutes that they had this republican proposa
we'll go off the fiscal cliff, down the fiscal slope. yes i think it will happen because it is the one way republicans can, without violating the pledge, and offending the grand inquisitor grover norquist, it's the one way they can let this happen. >> and, in fact, you know, what could happen, you can imagine a scenario where you go off the cliff on taxes, rates go up for everybody, you then vote to restore the rates for the vast majority of taxpayers, 98%, and further it is even...
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so the fiscal cliff is looming. there are a the lo of people who say the republicans need to stand together and if the president isn't gog deal fairly and offer up some spending cuts and talk about entitlement reform, the republicans need to be willing to hole hands and jump off the fiscal cliff with the president. are you ready? >> we would prefer that didn't happen. there are a lot of bad outcomes. you got a lot of analysis that's been done, ernst says if we go over the fiscal cliff or raise taxes it will cost us over 700,000 jobs, reduce economic growth, lower take home pay, all those things. that's a bad scenario. the president has made it very clear, tim geithner, his treasury secretary said a couple days ago, absolutely we're ready to go over the cliff. republicans don't think that's the solution. but i do think that if he gets what he wants, he gets higher taxes, he gets defense cuts, if we go over the cliff. so i don't think there is a lot of incentive on the president's part right now to be at the table to
so the fiscal cliff is looming. there are a the lo of people who say the republicans need to stand together and if the president isn't gog deal fairly and offer up some spending cuts and talk about entitlement reform, the republicans need to be willing to hole hands and jump off the fiscal cliff with the president. are you ready? >> we would prefer that didn't happen. there are a lot of bad outcomes. you got a lot of analysis that's been done, ernst says if we go over the fiscal cliff or...
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it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went over it and the world didn't end? that would be kind of interesting. we'd take a big bite out of the deficit and everybody's taxes would go up, but i think the sun would come up tomorrow. >> huh. >> we may find out. >> okay, little orphan annie. >> so, gene, do you think right now that's you advise the president to do if the republicans don't come forward with more specifics? >> if i'm advising the president right now i'm advising him to wait a while. and that maybe when we get closer to the date, the calendar will concentrate the minds of many people in washington and a conversation will be more fruitful. >> all right. >> okay. eugene robinson, thank you. >>> still ahead, the former british prime minister tony blair joins us next. >>> and next, the "national journal's" ron fournier tells us his touching cover story next. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. americans are always ready to
it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went over it and the world didn't end? that would be kind of interesting. we'd take a big bite out of the deficit and everybody's taxes would go up, but i think the sun would come up tomorrow. >> huh. >> we may find out. >> okay, little orphan annie. >> so, gene, do you think right now that's you advise the president to do if the republicans don't come forward...
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however we have 29 days to the fiscal cliff. they go on vacation, break for the holidays on the 15th. so technically we have 12 days to reach a deal. is that enough time? >> you know, there is still time. i think that's the important thing to know. it seems like one of the drops, first off, congressdoesn't like to hang around for christmas. we've learned that from past years. the payroll 2 cut last year out of here before christmas. they don't really like to do that. so i think really it seems the drop is the end of the year. but december 17th, the week before christmas is really seen as a very important week. there's still time to figure this out. anyone on both sides of this equation will tell you they know what the math is, zoraida. even if it's tough for us to understand, they understand what's at stake here. they understand how you have to move around some of these numbers. the question really is, this negative tone that we're hearing, much more negative than a couple weeks ago, how much of it is posturing, and how much of
however we have 29 days to the fiscal cliff. they go on vacation, break for the holidays on the 15th. so technically we have 12 days to reach a deal. is that enough time? >> you know, there is still time. i think that's the important thing to know. it seems like one of the drops, first off, congressdoesn't like to hang around for christmas. we've learned that from past years. the payroll 2 cut last year out of here before christmas. they don't really like to do that. so i think really it...